Linguistics Talk Linguistics Talk    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? Goto page 1, 2  Next          Linguistics Talk Forum Index -> Linguistics Talk View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message prr Guest Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor the Omrud Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? prr wrote: Quote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Nay. It has no conventional meaning. You'll have to ask the author what was intended. -- David Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor prr Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? The context indeed, as one poster has calculated, was an act of parliament. It is found in Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations," (first ed. 1776) so that may explain the fact that some have never come across it before. This phrase is commonly used throughout his work, with of course various years and monarchs. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor CDB Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? the Omrud wrote: Quote: prr wrote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Nay. It has no conventional meaning. You'll have to ask the author what was intended. But, if the author is past asking, I would go with your guess. Oquerisnele atinele? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor HVS Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? On 30 Jun 2008, the Omrud wrote Quote: prr wrote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Nay. It has no conventional meaning. You'll have to ask the author what was intended. Why wouldn't you take it as a slightly irregular way to refer to a regnal year? I'll grant you that the "5th" form is a bit of solecism -- but it doesn't strike this frequent-user-of-regnal-years as either weird or indecipherable. -- Cheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Chuck Riggs Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT), prr <psaulmoneonenine@gmail.com> wrote: Quote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Probably nay since I'd take it to mean the fifth George the Second, which makes no sense from the facts, as I know them. Can you give us some context? Where'd you see it? -- Regards, Chuck Riggs Near Dublin, Ireland Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor the Omrud Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? HVS wrote: Quote: On 30 Jun 2008, the Omrud wrote prr wrote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Nay. It has no conventional meaning. You'll have to ask the author what was intended. Why wouldn't you take it as a slightly irregular way to refer to a regnal year? If I'm told that's what it means, I can accept it, but I took the question to be whether, given the bare phrase, that's what it means. I stick by "No". Why would that be more likely than a reference to his 5th child or 5th war? Quote: I'll grant you that the "5th" form is a bit of solecism -- but it doesn't strike this frequent-user-of-regnal-years as either weird or indecipherable. Weird, perhaps not, but I would never have guessed that might be the meaning. -- David Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor HVS Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? On 30 Jun 2008, the Omrud wrote Quote: HVS wrote: On 30 Jun 2008, the Omrud wrote prr wrote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Nay. It has no conventional meaning. You'll have to ask the author what was intended. Why wouldn't you take it as a slightly irregular way to refer to a regnal year? If I'm told that's what it means, I can accept it, but I took the question to be whether, given the bare phrase, that's what it means. I stick by "No". Why would that be more likely than a reference to his 5th child or 5th war? Well, to me it's more likely because it's so close to a set form -- 5GeoII -- which is entirely unremarkable in at least a couple of different fields (law and archives). Quote: I'll grant you that the "5th" form is a bit of solecism -- but it doesn't strike this frequent-user-of-regnal-years as either weird or indecipherable. Weird, perhaps not, but I would never have guessed that might be the meaning. Depends where one starts from, I guess; I'd never have guessed it would refer to anything else. -- Cheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor the Omrud Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? HVS wrote: Quote: On 30 Jun 2008, the Omrud wrote HVS wrote: On 30 Jun 2008, the Omrud wrote prr wrote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Nay. It has no conventional meaning. You'll have to ask the author what was intended. Why wouldn't you take it as a slightly irregular way to refer to a regnal year? If I'm told that's what it means, I can accept it, but I took the question to be whether, given the bare phrase, that's what it means. I stick by "No". Why would that be more likely than a reference to his 5th child or 5th war? Well, to me it's more likely because it's so close to a set form -- 5GeoII -- which is entirely unremarkable in at least a couple of different fields (law and archives). Ah, fair enough. I've never seen that usage. -- David Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike L Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? On Jun 30, 6:50�pm, the Omrud <usenet.om...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote: Quote: Prai Jei wrote: prr set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Yea, yea and thrice yea. The word "year" is understood in such statements. Understood by some, no doubt, but it's not a general use. Well, in a highly tidied-up form it's in general use among those who generally use it. Standard, or even unremarkably ordinary, in fact. (See also "Cmd".) Not, of course, to be confused with Ist and 3rd Trinity, and 7/11 Lancers, and such-like. I like 4711, personally. -- Mike. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Prai Jei Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? prr set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: Quote: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Yea, yea and thrice yea. The word "year" is understood in such statements. To add to the confusion the name of the monarch is frequently abbreviated so you might have seen "5th Geo. II" Acts of Parliament were dated so according to the "regnal year" until as recently as 11th Eliz. II aka 1962. -- ξ Proud to be curly Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor the Omrud Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? Prai Jei wrote: Quote: prr set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: Yea or nay? And if nay, then atwhay? Yea, yea and thrice yea. The word "year" is understood in such statements. Understood by some, no doubt, but it's not a general use. -- David Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor R H Draney Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? the Omrud filted: Quote: HVS wrote: Well, to me it's more likely because it's so close to a set form -- 5GeoII -- which is entirely unremarkable in at least a couple of different fields (law and archives). Also Biblical citations: "1st Samuel 3", and like that.... Quote: Ah, fair enough. I've never seen that usage. Have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_3rd_Bank .....r -- What good is being an executive if you never get to execute anyone? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor the Omrud Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? R H Draney wrote: Quote: the Omrud filted: HVS wrote: Well, to me it's more likely because it's so close to a set form -- 5GeoII -- which is entirely unremarkable in at least a couple of different fields (law and archives). Also Biblical citations: "1st Samuel 3", and like that.... But that's completely different. Unless it actually means the first year of the reign of King Samuel III. Quote: Ah, fair enough. I've never seen that usage. Have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_3rd_Bank Nope. I have seen the First National Bank of Van Horn, Texas. It was the "First" and "National" which got me. Van Horn, Texas, only had one bank and not a lot more inhabitants. -- David Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor R H Draney Guest Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: 5th George II means "in the fifth year of his reign"? the Omrud filted: Quote: R H Draney wrote: Have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_3rd_Bank Nope. I have seen the First National Bank of Van Horn, Texas. It was the "First" and "National" which got me. Van Horn, Texas, only had one bank and not a lot more inhabitants. ObThinIce: I'm related to some of those inhabitants.... I remember laughing, as a child, at a running gag in an "Underdog" cartoon that had the bad guys robbing (by shrinking the building and then carrying it away) first the First National Bank, then the Second National Bank, the crime wave proceeding in similar fashion...the hero finally caught up with them while they were at work on the Twenty-Third National Bank....r -- What good is being an executive if you never get to execute anyone? 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